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	<title>Comments on: Lehman Brothers CEO Attacked At Gym, Knocked Out Cold</title>
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		<title>By: Paul</title>
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		<dc:creator>Paul</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 10 Oct 2008 01:48:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The punch is sadly the only consequence this guy is going to receive for his behavior. Did his mom reward him when he brought home D&#039;s rather than A&#039;s in grade school. When did we start to reward people for lousy performance. Everyone on Lehman&#039;s board of directors along with all the other corporations directors should line up for a punch.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The punch is sadly the only consequence this guy is going to receive for his behavior. Did his mom reward him when he brought home D&#8217;s rather than A&#8217;s in grade school. When did we start to reward people for lousy performance. Everyone on Lehman&#8217;s board of directors along with all the other corporations directors should line up for a punch.</p>
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		<title>By: Jeff</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jeff</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 09 Oct 2008 03:20:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Edward:  Thomas Paine.  When laws exist only to safeguard criminals, the laws are criminal.  

That anyone should think that a businessperson&#039;s duty is to chase profits indicates the problem.  Corporations-- however the idea of them began-- have become the antithesis of justice, and the banking system the antithesis of thrift, or fiduciary responsibility.

A businessperson&#039;s duty should be to provide quality goods and services to customers, of such worth that the customers get more than they pay for in value.  Thus the businessperson will make a good living.  Bundling nearly worthless investments and selling them as AAA rated ones is nothing but fraud, whatever the arcane rules of the letter of the law called it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Edward:  Thomas Paine.  When laws exist only to safeguard criminals, the laws are criminal.  </p>
<p>That anyone should think that a businessperson&#8217;s duty is to chase profits indicates the problem.  Corporations&#8211; however the idea of them began&#8211; have become the antithesis of justice, and the banking system the antithesis of thrift, or fiduciary responsibility.</p>
<p>A businessperson&#8217;s duty should be to provide quality goods and services to customers, of such worth that the customers get more than they pay for in value.  Thus the businessperson will make a good living.  Bundling nearly worthless investments and selling them as AAA rated ones is nothing but fraud, whatever the arcane rules of the letter of the law called it.</p>
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		<title>By: Ashley</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ashley</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 08 Oct 2008 18:05:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>He totally deserves more than what was given to him. No honest man could do that to thousands and thousands of people and walk away thinking he was in the right. Regardless if he knew what was going to happen or not, no real man could do that and sleep at night.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>He totally deserves more than what was given to him. No honest man could do that to thousands and thousands of people and walk away thinking he was in the right. Regardless if he knew what was going to happen or not, no real man could do that and sleep at night.</p>
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		<title>By: Edward</title>
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		<dc:creator>Edward</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 08 Oct 2008 16:50:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m a libertarian.  And yes, doing theoretical physics makes me suck at maths.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m a libertarian.  And yes, doing theoretical physics makes me suck at maths.</p>
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		<title>By: Rahn</title>
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		<dc:creator>Rahn</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 08 Oct 2008 03:07:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Edward:

The fact that you are arguing the following points simultaneously says all anyone needs to know about your point of view. Right Wing much?

a. The govt caused it by &quot;manipulating incentives&quot;
b. The looming real estate crisis was &quot;no f*cking suprise&quot;
c. The Federal Reserve Act started all this 100 years ago. 
d. Fuld, having only been the CEO since 1993 just &quot;happened to be at the helm&quot; when the bank crashed , and is blameless. 

Edward, I&#039;d frankly be amazed if you could count your testicles and get the same answer twice.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Edward:</p>
<p>The fact that you are arguing the following points simultaneously says all anyone needs to know about your point of view. Right Wing much?</p>
<p>a. The govt caused it by &#8220;manipulating incentives&#8221;<br />
b. The looming real estate crisis was &#8220;no f*cking suprise&#8221;<br />
c. The Federal Reserve Act started all this 100 years ago.<br />
d. Fuld, having only been the CEO since 1993 just &#8220;happened to be at the helm&#8221; when the bank crashed , and is blameless. </p>
<p>Edward, I&#8217;d frankly be amazed if you could count your testicles and get the same answer twice.</p>
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		<title>By: Edward</title>
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		<dc:creator>Edward</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 07 Oct 2008 23:20:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>No, the government didn&#039;t force him, it simply manipulated incentives.  Hence it was industry wide, not just him.  Besides, the US economy has been in recession since 2001, with Federal Reserve inflation driven real estate the only place producing the illusion of wealth in the economy.  It&#039;s no f*cking surprise they were all caught with their pants down there.

Realistically, there is nothing you can do to prosecute this man unless he&#039;s been proven to be commiting fraud or theft, which to my knowledge he hasn&#039;t.  Ideally, someone would bring a class action law suit for the trillions and trillions of dollars worth of damage caused over the last century by the unconstitutional Federal Reserve Act.  That&#039;s your problem, not some random ass guy who happened to be at the helm of some random ass investment bank when the shit hit the fan.  Wake up.

I&#039;m out.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>No, the government didn&#8217;t force him, it simply manipulated incentives.  Hence it was industry wide, not just him.  Besides, the US economy has been in recession since 2001, with Federal Reserve inflation driven real estate the only place producing the illusion of wealth in the economy.  It&#8217;s no f*cking surprise they were all caught with their pants down there.</p>
<p>Realistically, there is nothing you can do to prosecute this man unless he&#8217;s been proven to be commiting fraud or theft, which to my knowledge he hasn&#8217;t.  Ideally, someone would bring a class action law suit for the trillions and trillions of dollars worth of damage caused over the last century by the unconstitutional Federal Reserve Act.  That&#8217;s your problem, not some random ass guy who happened to be at the helm of some random ass investment bank when the shit hit the fan.  Wake up.</p>
<p>I&#8217;m out.</p>
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		<title>By: Chris Jones</title>
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		<dc:creator>Chris Jones</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 07 Oct 2008 22:22:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Edward,

The unbelievable hubris of that jackass to exercise in the Lehman Brothers gym after he destroyed the company is the stuff of legends.

An ass kicking was the only appropriate course of action at that point.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Edward,</p>
<p>The unbelievable hubris of that jackass to exercise in the Lehman Brothers gym after he destroyed the company is the stuff of legends.</p>
<p>An ass kicking was the only appropriate course of action at that point.</p>
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		<title>By: Rahn</title>
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		<dc:creator>Rahn</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 07 Oct 2008 20:57:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Edward:

Thanks for the non-answer, coupled with repeated patronizing of my position. You have now fully clarified your position by reasserting that violence is disgusting and criminal. That&#039;s excellent, Ms. Palin, however you did not answer the question I asked. 

I ask again that you provide a non-violent solution to justice in this case. Regardless of the cause, Mr. Fuld quite happily did his part in this and it was a large part because his was a major firm. 

Whats your idea of non-disgusting, legal justice for this greediot and the other CEOs just like him?

Greediot:

A CEO operating within a flawed framework and *forced* to act rashly with huge sums of money due to the govt. apparently, holding a gun to his head, forcing him to sign risky deal after risky deal, since he obviously would never act that recklessly with other people&#039;s money for huge cash bonuses had he been free to act responsibly and collect modest sums.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Edward:</p>
<p>Thanks for the non-answer, coupled with repeated patronizing of my position. You have now fully clarified your position by reasserting that violence is disgusting and criminal. That&#8217;s excellent, Ms. Palin, however you did not answer the question I asked. </p>
<p>I ask again that you provide a non-violent solution to justice in this case. Regardless of the cause, Mr. Fuld quite happily did his part in this and it was a large part because his was a major firm. </p>
<p>Whats your idea of non-disgusting, legal justice for this greediot and the other CEOs just like him?</p>
<p>Greediot:</p>
<p>A CEO operating within a flawed framework and *forced* to act rashly with huge sums of money due to the govt. apparently, holding a gun to his head, forcing him to sign risky deal after risky deal, since he obviously would never act that recklessly with other people&#8217;s money for huge cash bonuses had he been free to act responsibly and collect modest sums.</p>
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		<title>By: Edward</title>
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		<dc:creator>Edward</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 07 Oct 2008 20:16:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Well then you are getting into the question of why the current financial mess happened, and to hold those responsible who are.  Unfortunately that involves a very large number of people, many of whom are now dead, and many of whom were probably unwitting too.  The cause lies in central banking, fiat currency, and fractional reserve banking.  This was the same for the great depression and the 70s, only this time the manifestation was in a different part of the economy.  The reason the bubble occurred in the housing sector is probably best explained here:
http://myslu.stlawu.edu/~shorwitz/open_letter.htm

Even if this CEO was directly responsible in some way, rather than just behaving as business people should (chasing profit) within a flawed framework set up by the government, I still think advocating violence against him is disgusting and criminal.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well then you are getting into the question of why the current financial mess happened, and to hold those responsible who are.  Unfortunately that involves a very large number of people, many of whom are now dead, and many of whom were probably unwitting too.  The cause lies in central banking, fiat currency, and fractional reserve banking.  This was the same for the great depression and the 70s, only this time the manifestation was in a different part of the economy.  The reason the bubble occurred in the housing sector is probably best explained here:<br />
<a href="http://myslu.stlawu.edu/~shorwitz/open_letter.htm" rel="nofollow">http://myslu.stlawu.edu/~shorwitz/open_letter.htm</a></p>
<p>Even if this CEO was directly responsible in some way, rather than just behaving as business people should (chasing profit) within a flawed framework set up by the government, I still think advocating violence against him is disgusting and criminal.</p>
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		<title>By: Rahn</title>
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		<dc:creator>Rahn</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 07 Oct 2008 19:01:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Edward:
I think you work in a vacuum. In an ideal situation, there would be penalties for their actions. In this case, the CEOs *bought* legislation that allowed them to run crazy with everyone&#039;s money. That same legislation allowed these same greed-driven people to escape *ALL* possible justice and walk away with millions! 
In cases, like this, justice gets handed out a different way. 

For curiosity&#039;s sake, how would a pacifist like yourself accomplish justice in this context? 

Specifically, when there is zero legal recourse, thanks to corrupt legislature. 

Please stick to realistic options. &quot;Bringing the senate to court&quot; would obviously not happen, so lets hear your realistic, non-violent solution.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Edward:<br />
I think you work in a vacuum. In an ideal situation, there would be penalties for their actions. In this case, the CEOs *bought* legislation that allowed them to run crazy with everyone&#8217;s money. That same legislation allowed these same greed-driven people to escape *ALL* possible justice and walk away with millions!<br />
In cases, like this, justice gets handed out a different way. </p>
<p>For curiosity&#8217;s sake, how would a pacifist like yourself accomplish justice in this context? </p>
<p>Specifically, when there is zero legal recourse, thanks to corrupt legislature. </p>
<p>Please stick to realistic options. &#8220;Bringing the senate to court&#8221; would obviously not happen, so lets hear your realistic, non-violent solution.</p>
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